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gotenks feat: what do you think
Topic Started: Feb 13 2016, 08:47 AM (1,426 Views)
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I'm tired as hell and just spitting out words right now so idk if this'll make sense but I'm gonna make this thread for fun anyway so here we go lol

The problem I've had with gotenks finishing flying in a minute was that then you would have to argue it took piccolo 29 minutes to reach gotenks who we don't know how far was when he landed. At most he was on the other side of the planet and he should be able to cross that faster right?

But I'm gonna try and prove that gotenks was actually probably on the other side of the planet and piccolo did take a long time to reach him meaning gotenks finished flying in a minute and spent the rest of the time napping

So saiyan saga goku's travel speed was Mach 29. Speed doesn't scale linearly with power level and there was no jumps in speed till gotenks. This means piccolos speed should be in the Mach 30s. Taking about 29 minutes to travel to the other side of the planet going around that speed makes sense so no, piccolo can't cross the planet as fast as you might think

Piccolo is sweating meaning he had to have been flying for a while. It also makes more sense for him to wait for gotenks to land and then fly to him rather than fly the whole time, that's stupid. Gotenks had a minute left when piccolo reached him. So that means he finished flying and landed after a minute. So piccolo spent 29 minutes trying to reach him

Low balling(since the rings around the planet are huge but we don't know them exactly so I'm just low balling), this means gotenks was flying 2,083 miles per second. Combat speed is several times(I think it's at least 10x) faster making his combat speed relativistic

Not light speed... But it's something right? So did I figure out the vague a*** feat or nah?
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Guy, you gotta staap dis madness of infusing science & fiction-in Terminator Arnold's voice

Seriously though, I feel you shouldnt overthink this feat crap

At most, Gotenks literally flew around Earth like 10 times & BAM!

Crash landed. Took a nap.

Now Piccolo was already considered trash by pre-Buu Arc. With whole Base Saiyans, Kaioshins stuff

There's no way he's gonna keep up with speed of "fused" kids. Dat too as SSJ who f***kin dashed after indulging in the exhiliration of their new-found super power

Piccolo reaching them AFTER 29 minutes (given how Fusion lasts only 30 mins) is garbage though. I'd understand if Gotenks suppressed or hid his chi as Imperfect Cell did. But maybe yeah.

Gotenks was taking a nap. Hence, his every shouki, youki & genki stuff should've been relatively close to nil

With Piccolo's speed, I'm sure he could keep up with any regular SSJ. I doubt if he could keep up with any ascended SSJ stages like ASSJ, USSJ, FPSSJ, SSJ2 etc

But in Gotenks case, I'd prefer to keep it simple by saying Piccolo was struggling to pin-point Gotenks location, given how he blitz as the speed of lightning & took a nap. Which greatly troubled Piccolo.

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Why is it hard to believe it took piccolo around 28 or 29 minutes to cross the planet though? They're honestly not that fast travel speed wise until gotenks. I pointed that out. There's no evidence he's that much faster than saiyan saga goku. Power levels yeah he is but not in actual stats

I also thought about gotenks being suppressed because he was sleeping though. That is a good point but I think piccolo could've at least sensed him land and before he fell asleep
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Here's another thing

What if da kids actually freakin flew around for over 25 mins? Then those cocky SOB's decide to take a short nap. Just to mock Piccolo

Seems plausible imo

They got their asses handed to them in Base. Now became SSJ. New-found power

Why not test the speed by travelling across canyons, oceans, globe & finally land in some random desert to show their much superior speed to Piccolo?

Which Gotenks actually did. In JPN, SSJ Gotenks asked Piccolo if all THAT wasn't enuf to prove his improved speed & in short, overall strength

Alas, those maggot musta been super indulged in their travel speed & clock almost 28+ mins. Which basically explains why their fusion defused
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In the anime he went around the planet about 9 times in 6 seconds.

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I dunno if you can call that FTL, Dragon Ball's Earth seems pretty small to me.

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But hey, for consistency, let's say it's just as big as our Earth.
About 24.901 miles in circumference.

Now go do your math.

And as for Piccolo, I've always thought he had problems tracing Gotenks' chi, since he had been flying all over the place.
For me, it's the only reasonable explanation. He followed the energy trace he had left, but it took him about twenty-something minutes.

So Piccolo was still going pretty fast for someone who isn't very relevant at this point.
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wasnt it stated that dragon ball Earth and moon has the same size as the real Earth and moon?
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Are you serious?

I know Toriyama is a lazy mangaka who makes things up as he goes with flow. But you really think he would use real Earth & Moon (the radius, circumference) to be used in Dragon World?

I'm baffled tbh. Didnt the manga panel just showed Piccolo finding Gotenks almost immediately, in contrast to anime which padded scenes to lengthen the scene

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Then how long was the nap Gotenks took?
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Something also worth mentioning is that we have no idea where Gotenks landed on Earth to take a nap, for all we know, Piccolo could've been flying in the opposite direction that Gotenks landed in. He'd then have to backtrack and go to where Gotenks was.

In essence, we have no idea where Piccolo was, nor how much time had passed between Gotenks's initial fusion to the time that he landed, in addition to how long of a nap he took.

There's too many holes in the story to accurately gauge how fast Gotenks is, and how fast Piccolo is compared to Gotenks.

For example, Gotenks's "multiple trips around the Earth" could've taken up to 18 minutes, and he could've taken a 10 minute nap; which is really a cat nap/power nap; but is a nap regardless. The extra two minutes is for conversation with Piccolo and the gang at Kami's palace and when Piccolo caught up with him, ect.

Say it took Gotenks 1 min 30 sec to circumvent the Earth a single time. 12 times in 18 minutes. This doesn't make it too unbelievable for Boohan to be able to reach Goku and Vegeta in an even shorter amount of time given that he'd first have to gauge where Goku and Vegeta were in order to fly halfway around the Earth to their location.

But of course, this is all speculation.
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In the anime he went around the planet about 9 times in 6 seconds.

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I dunno if you can call that FTL, Dragon Ball's Earth seems pretty small to me.
Umm, you can't. Light can circle the Earth roughly 8 times in a single second...
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Toriyama would use earths real circumference. He used the real distance from earth to the moon in an interview

I pointed out they don't tell us how far gotenks was but we can still infer he was on the other side of the planet

Gotenks stops flying and lands which piccolo senses, and then spends 29 minutes flying to him. Piccolo being in the Mach 30s at most should take about that long to cross the planet. So with that info, we can say gotenks was on the other side of the planet
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Well, I never got to see his feet...he's always wearing shoes, although he did have small feet, but then again he was a child so oh well. His shoes weren't that bad to look at, but I really didn't care for the wrap around his ankles. :D

Seriously, there really isn't any solid evidence how long what took, so we really can't be sure how much time Gotenks had left after circling Earth.
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But what I'm saying is thats where you guys are wrong

It makes the most sense for piccolo start flying to gotenks after he lands and since he by the time he got to him, the fusion has only one minute left, that means piccolo was flying for 29 minutes. Piccolos travel speed is in the Mach 30s so it makes sense that after 29 minutes he gets to the other side of the planet
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My only issue is that I find it somewhat difficult to believe that Piccolo only made a mach 10 gain after getting millions of times stronger. Piccolo isn't THAT far behind the SSJ's at the Cell Games, and the SSJ's from the Cell Games aren't THAT far behind the SSJ2's and the SSJ2's aren't THAT far behind the SSJ3's and Gotenks isn't much stronger in his initial SSJ appearance than SSJ3 Goku.
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Why? Vegeta could blow up a planet at 24k. They stayed around planet busting till SPC who was a solar system buster and how many times stronger than saiyan saga vegeta?
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